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Post by arfcomhkr on Nov 1, 2014 20:13:37 GMT -5
The older I get, the less I am able to get a good nights sleep out on the trail. It's worse during the longer nights of late fall. I don't have any trouble sleeping the night through at home in bed.
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Post by aseege1 on Nov 1, 2014 21:16:34 GMT -5
I've found that a nice plush sleeping pad, a comfy pillow with enough neck support does it for me. Obviously, prices and weights vary wildly, but the NeoAir has worked for me. Never slept well on the Prolite. I use an REI basecamp pillow, it's worth the extra space it takes up. I know plenty of hikers who slide their pack under the head of their airpad, but I'm a bit fussy about my sleeping comfort.  If you have to change your sleeping style on the trail, then you probably won't sleep as well. So that just means finding what you need to make that happen. Also, changing from a bag to a quilt meant a lot to me, since I tend to sprawl all over the place and don't do well confined.
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Post by arfcomhkr on Nov 2, 2014 7:37:33 GMT -5
I think I'm just going to resort to Benadryl  Maybe a blowup pillow, but probably not a heavier and bulkier pad. With my bad knees and feet, I really try to keep my pack weight down.
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Post by dunkard on Nov 2, 2014 7:40:57 GMT -5
People are creatures of habit. Try to mimic everything you do at home at the same time in the same order. Such as : brushing teeth, using bathroom, drinking a glass of water, reading, thinking about tomorrow. You may not be fully aware of your pattern but you might have. I also agree on the pillow it is a crucial part of my gear. Tryed the balled up clothes and that didn't cut it
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Post by aseege1 on Nov 2, 2014 17:13:24 GMT -5
Absolutely agree on weight. My NeoAirXLite is only 12 oz. But I moved to a regular basecamp pillow because my blowup kept popping. What dunkard says about mimicking our routines at home is what I was getting at when I mentioned changing your sleeping style. Just find what you need to keep similar. I know some hikers who even load a movie onto their iphone to watch in their tent if they're used to watching TV to fall asleep. But hey, I always keep a few advil PM on hand as insurance...nothing wrong with that! 
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Post by Hours Per Mile on Nov 4, 2014 0:11:52 GMT -5
In The Tent:
-Thermarest Pro-Lite (Womens Model): Its wider in the middle, nice if you move around a bit. -Pillow- I stuff my trail clothes, rain gear as needed in my sleeping bag stuff sack. It has always worked perfect for me.! - 45°F down bag; 20°F down bag; 0°F down bag.
The Hammock:
I have recently begun to experiment with the asymmetrical hammock way of life, and my Hilleberg Staika (as well as two other tents) is giving me a dirty look. I have been a skeptic of hammock sleeping for a very long time, but it is pretty amazing once you get past the geometry of it. And the science of heat loss. -Hennesssey Hammock Deep Jungle. -HH Poly Hex Rain Fly: Better wind & rain coverage than the included fly. - Same Thermarest Pro-Lite as above. -Same sleeping bags.
If your pains are really bothering you, I recommend giving a hammock a try. I regret being a neigh-sayer for such a long time.
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Post by arfcomhkr on Nov 4, 2014 10:30:13 GMT -5
I don't think I could sleep in a hammock. I'd either get trapped in it by twisting and turning or dumped out on the ground. Not to mention no place for the big dumb Lab to sleep.
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Post by rpcv on Nov 4, 2014 10:52:12 GMT -5
I sympathize. Here's what works for me:
-Sleeping pad: I switched to thicker pads. This has made a huge difference. For summer, I use a Big Agnes Air Core, full length. Without checking, I don't think this weighs any more than my old 3/4 inch inflatable. For winter, I use an Exped Downmat 7, full length. I can't begin to explain how much I love that pad. It is definitely heavier than my old thermarest, but not by much and worth every ounce.
-sleeping bags: I use a 35 degree in the summer and a 20 degree in the winter. Both are down. If it is going to be below about 20 degrees, I combine them (my winter bag is roomy enough to accommodate the summer bag without much compression).
-pillow: I put my down jacket or clothes in a stuff sack. I haven't found a small pillow that is any more comfortable for me than just spending a few minutes shaping the stuff sack.
-I am a really cold sleeper and I have a hard time warming up a cold sleeping bag so I can fall asleep. If it is below about 30 degrees, I will fill a nalgene with hot water and put it in my sleeping bag before I go to bed. This has done wonders for my ability to sleep when we are camping in the cold. I used to lay awake for what felt like hours waiting for the bag to warm up.
I still wake up in the night, often to use the bathroom, but it is better than before.
rpcv
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Post by countryroads on Nov 4, 2014 15:24:27 GMT -5
I use a hammock and absolutely love it! Once you learn to sleep in one, you adjust to rolling over without falling out. I like to side sleep and sometimes all curled up in a ball, and I am comfortable in my hammock. You might check out Hammockforums.net for any group hammock hangs. You could then try out a few hammocks without dropping the bucks on one. I actually don't even move much in my hammock. I toss and turn sleeping on the ground, even when using a neoair. It is very convenient in the rain. Much easier to deal with rain from under my tarp and the hammock makes a nice chair/lounger.
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Post by vdeal on Nov 4, 2014 20:40:03 GMT -5
arf,
Backpacking hammocks aren't your regular yard hammock. Backpacking hammocks are based on the Mayan hammock design and you lay diagonally across the fabric resulting in a fairly flat lie. Not the saggy, banana lie that most people think. Don't knock it till you've tried it - it could change your complete outdoors experience.
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Post by arfcomhkr on Nov 5, 2014 0:18:48 GMT -5
arf, Backpacking hammocks aren't your regular yard hammock. Backpacking hammocks are based on the Mayan hammock design and you lay diagonally across the fabric resulting in a fairly flat lie. Not the saggy, banana lie that most people think. Don't knock it till you've tried it - it could change your complete outdoors experience. I've been exposed to them before. A few people bring them on trips with us. Hennessy Hammocks are especially popular with some. Still not my thing.
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Post by jnk556 on Nov 6, 2014 18:54:53 GMT -5
How do i sleep out on the trail?? Not very well, just like you arf
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Post by paulboi on Nov 11, 2014 11:23:58 GMT -5
i love backpacking,but i rarely sleep well on my trips,thats with a Big Agnes air core and a good pillow,oh the joys of getting older!
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